2 Kings 2:23-25
Do you really need Jesus (or any god) to tell you that war shouldn't be the first reaction to a disagreement or conflict in foreign affairs?
Do you really need Jesus (or any god) to tell you that raping or molesting other men, women, and children is evil?
Do you really need Jesus (or any god) to tell you that murdering or torturing others is atrocious?
Do you really need Jesus (or any god) to tell you that not allowing others to live their lives without the interference of others when what they're doing isn't a threat to your own life is unnecessary and wrong?
Do you really need Jesus (or any god) to tell you that blatantly destroying the trust of others through lies, infidelity, or theft is immoral?
Do you really need Jesus (or any god) to tell you that abusing your child or significant other physically, mentally, emotionally, or verbally is cruel?
Do you really need Jesus (or any god) to tell you that should care for those less fortunate than you?
Do you really need Jesus (or any god) to tell you that you should attempt to understand the plights of others rather than accuse them of being at fault for every burden they're dealing?
Do you really need Jesus (or any god) to tell you that tolerance and peace will lead to a more progressive society - not selfishness and unfounded bigotry and hatred?
Well, before you say, "That's exactly why you need to believe in Jesus", I don't believe in Jesus or follow any religious doctrine and yet I know all of this.
Explain to me how I'm a good person without needing to subscribe to a religion, attend or donate to church, or pray every night?
The way I see it, no one needs to believe in Jesus or a god to be a good person. It is just a method of appealing to our unfortunately selfish, materialistic, entitled mindset that we have to be rewarded for being good to one another - that eternal paradise is your reward if you do good deeds in your mortal life.
I don't need to do a good thing or be nice to others to then justify it like so many do with "Jesus would have done this." I do good things because it's the right thing to do.
Some of you may even argue with "Well, our laws teach the same thing. How come you're not against them?"
Well, you need to know that we shouldn't have laws either.
But unlike religious morals, these laws are in place to discourage amoral people from hurting you, and if they do, they're punished thoroughly for it.
To argue that your Christian laws are as important as government-enforced laws is to say that no one has ever done evil while believing in your religious teachings.
And please, do not argue the "Then they're not real Christians" No-True-Scotsman fallacy. They are "real" Christians because they say they are. Who are you to say that they're not - because they did something that was against what your god teaches?
Then that would mean there is no such thing as a "real" Christian - that the only "real" Christian that existed was also the one who died with nails in his hands.
If you need a daily or weekly reminder of what is right and wrong - that what you're doing could have negative consequences on others - when it should come to you almost instinctively, then that means there's something wrong with you. Not those who don't "accept and love" Jesus but "need to".
I see it as you admitting that you will go out and cruelly hurt others in some fashion for your own selfish desires if you didn't believe in Jesus.
Do not come here, attempting to engage me and others in a debate about your beliefs only to then block me because you don't like where the conversation is going.
I will not tolerate that level of asshattery and childishness on the thread.
This is an adult topic, so act like an adult. If you can't handle the heat of a mature debate when no one is even insulting you or attacking you - if you're under this self-deluded belief that you're entitled to have your say without criticism - then you need to leave right now.